Gun Control

The 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment

As is usual, the Gun Control debate is neatly split in the artificial left-right control mechanism. Unadulterated hysterics are thus the norm.

I favor the 2nd amendment, but not because ‘guns make safer’. They don’t. America suffers most from violent crime of all advanced societies. Guns are a huge part of that.

Per capita murder figures are on average about 10 times lower in Europe. Violent crime is much lower. That’s nothing to be scoffed at. Gun control is rife in Europe. Normal people are hardly able to own a gun.

But I’m pretty sure most aren’t interested in them either. I know I’m not. I used to be somewhat, when I was a young kid, still pretty messed up and fascinated with violence. Not quite the kind of person you want to have guns, but a quite substantial portion of those interested are in a similar psychological state.

The one exception is Switzerland. Crime is low there, while every able bodied man takes his gun home after his stint in the national militia.

But Switzerland is a highly organized and disciplined society, with accompanying high suicide rates. The Army’s gun is neatly tucked away at home, for when war breaks out. It is available for defense of the home or in case of an emergency.

America’s fascination with guns is not overly attractive.

Having said that, in principle a free man should be able to defend himself. Lower violent crime is very attractive, but this principle is quite important. The idea that we should leave it to the police is ridiculous and this idea only exists to sell the protection racket that is the State.

The most important reason for the importance of the Second Amendment is clear: the people need to be able to defend themselves against Government Tyranny and the NWO. There are clear indications that the fact that there are so many homes defended by a huge arsenal is one of the key reasons the NWO has been stalling. John Todd already said so in the seventies.

By the way: Hitler didn’t suppress private gun ownership.

 

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  1. Per capita murder figures are on average about 10 times lower in Europe.
    How about Honduras, Venezuela? Or any of the hundred or so countries above the USA in Homicide rates? Do they not count?

    Country Rate Count Region Subregion
    Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
    Venezuela 79.0[10] 24,783 Americas South America
    El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
    Ivory Coast 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
    Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
    Jamaica 40.9 1,125 Americas Caribbean
    U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
    Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
    Zambia 38.0 4,710 Africa Eastern Africa
    Bahamas 36.6 127 Americas Caribbean
    Uganda 36.3 11,373 Africa Eastern Africa
    Malawi 36.0 5,039 Africa Eastern Africa
    Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
    South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
    Trinidad and Tobago 31.3 407[8] Americas Caribbean
    Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
    Colombia 30.8 14,670+ Americas South America
    Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
    Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
    Ethiopia 25.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
    Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
    Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
    Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
    Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
    Mexico 23.7 27,199+ Americas Central America
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
    Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
    Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
    Brazil 21.8 42,785 Americas South America
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
    Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
    Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
    Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
    Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
    Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
    Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
    Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
    Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
    Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
    Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
    Ecuador 18.2 2,638 Americas South America
    Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
    Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
    Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
    Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
    Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
    Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
    North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
    Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
    Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
    Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
    Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
    Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
    Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
    French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
    Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
    Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
    Nicaragua 12.6 738 Americas Central America
    Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America
    Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa
    Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
    Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
    Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
    Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
    Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
    Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
    Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
    Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
    Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
    Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
    Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
    Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
    Russia 9.7 13,826 Europe Eastern Europe
    Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
    Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
    Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
    Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
    Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
    British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
    Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
    Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
    Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
    Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
    Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
    Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
    Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
    Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
    Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
    Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
    Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
    Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
    Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
    Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
    Argentina 5.5 2237 Americas South America
    Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
    Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
    Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
    Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
    Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
    United States 4.8[9] 14,173 Americas Northern America

    Nor is violent crime so much higher in America than some place like Great Britain. Measure for measure, violent crime is twice as high in the land of ultra restrictive gun control laws.

    America’s fascination with guns is not overly attractive.
    Let’s look at the numbers; even if we assume that every firearm related crime was committed by a different person (impossible), the Bureau of Justice Statistics puts firearm related homicides and violent crime at 500,000 or so a year. The number of households with a firearm present is about 115,00,000 — let’s assume that only 1 gun owner per household. That means less than 0.5% a percent of gun owners were involved in a firearm related violent crime each year. We don’t have ‘gun problem’ as a country; we have segments/sub cultures in our population that are committing violent crimes. Let’s address those and as you say lets keep arsenals ready for defense.

    Bob S.
    3 Boxes of BS

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    • I was comparing advanced countries Bob, not banana republics (although the US is becoming one rapidly….).

      Obviously the vast majority of the population is not interested in committing violent crime, there is no doubt about that.

      But there is also no doubt that the ability to project power is making crime more deadly.

      This is the problem of the eternal pro/contra debates: people take a side and then must make the problems of their argument and the fair points of the opposition go away. I prefer accepting the fair points from both sides to transcend the bickering.

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      • Sorry to be on this but Brazil isn’t an ‘advanced’ country? Honduras, Belize? Are the people more intelligent, more evolved in one country over another?

        Just what makes an ‘advanced’ country? By limiting the information to artificial boundaries, we limit the discussion to the point that only that side wants to make. We also dismiss the ineffective policies of ‘gun control’ – Mexico for example has one – just one legal store for civilians to buy firearms. Yet their homicide rate is higher than our. By looking at all the countries, fairly and equally, we can see the issue with culture, education, employment, etc. Not the restrictive laws. England has always been less lethal than America but Japan has a suicide rate that would make Americans blanch (despite almost no firearms).

        But there is also no doubt that the ability to project power is making crime more deadly.
        But do you accept the converse? That the ability to project power (by the victim) can and does also make crime less deadly? The National Crime Victim Survey found approximately 108,000 Defensive Gun Uses per year. The Kleck and Gertz survey found up to 2,500,000. This survey is supported by 16 other independent surveys. How many more crimes, how many more deadly crime would we have if the people weren’t armed?

        Let’s focus on what will impact violent crime; improving education so kids come out of school ready for jobs or college instead of being able to take a mandated test.
        Let’s improve employment by reducing the tax burden and administration on businesses (flat tax anyone?). Let’s roll back the regulatory and legal burden on business so they spend less time filling out paperwork and more time making things or providing services.
        Let’s stop the insane War on (Some) Drugs — empty the prisons of non-violent, victimless offenders and reserve those spots for repeat violent offenders. Most murderers have a felony arrest and many a felony conviction long before they murder.
        Let’s strengthen the family by reducing the dependency on a taxpayer provided check instead of a 2nd parent. Let’s get fathers involved in kids lives; shown to be a great way to reduce violent crime.
        Let’s reduce the restrictions and costs on people carrying firearms. In Texas to get a Concealed Handgun License it costs $140 just for the license; $10 for photos, $10 for fingerprints and $35 to $200 for the mandated class. Meanwhile a photo id (which should be needed to vote) only costs $26.

        These things can be done to reduce violent crime without infringing on people’s rights.

        Bob S.
        3 Boxes of BS

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        • It’s fairly common to differentiate between ‘advanced’ countries and the rest, so I don’t think I did anything to obscure the issue there. It’s better to compare comparable countries. There is a much greater difference between Mexico and the US than the US and Europe. Mexico is a very bad example and using it is indicative of what I was pointing out: people are trying to win a debate of artificial opposites, instead of searching for an optimal balancing of all available information.

          No, I don’t accept the converse: quite clearly, if every maniac can walk around with incredibly powerful weapons, the citizenry will feel safer with guns of their own, that’s a no brainer. But if nobody has a gun, violent crime will be much lower, all the evidence points in that direction and it’s of course rather logical too.

          This is also behind the insane police brutality in the United States, which is much, much worse than in Europe (even though the cops are awful here too, of course). A cop is sweating from the armpits if he’s walking up to a car he just stopped, not knowing what to expect and this leads to a siege mentality with the cops and quick overreaction.

          The United States already has by far the most repressive sentencing in the World, it’s an incredible disgrace. Of course the war on black men (‘the war on drugs’) must end immediately and all victimless ‘crime’ done away with immediately, that’s beside the point. The same goes with the destruction of the family (which is going everywhere, not leading to more violent crime).

          Just in case you forgot: I support the right to bear arms. I just don’t need bad arguments to make the case.

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  2. But if nobody has a gun, violent crime will be much lower, all the evidence points in that direction and it’s of course rather logical too.

    Too bad the evidence doesn’t support that idea: http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
    Country
    Police Recorded Rape Cases per 100,000 Population
    Australia 91.9
    Sweden 58.6
    New Zealand 30.6
    United States 28.6
    England and Wales 27.7
    Belgium 26.6
    ———————————————————-
    Cases of Robbery per 100,000 Population
    Belgium 1762
    Spain 1188
    Mexico 607
    Chile 456
    Portugal 192
    France 181
    England and Wales 137
    United States 133
    Italy 108
    Sweden 103
    Canada 96

    ———————————————–

    Police Recorded Assault Cases per 100,000 Population Scotland 1487
    Sweden 927
    England and Wales 730
    Belgium 718
    Israel 641
    Germany 630
    Finland 615
    Chile 576
    Luxembourg 476
    Ireland 353
    Netherlands 352
    Iceland 346
    Australia 327
    Portugal 312
    France 310
    United States 262
    Mexico 218
    Turkey 218
    Denmark 191
    Spain 177

    I also support the right to keep and bear arms; I’m just against continuing the narrative that violent crime is so much higher in America.
    Bob S.

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    • That’s interesting. Point well taken.

      Here are the murder statistics: America is doing markedly worse than Western Europe and Oceania:
      UNODC murder rates most recent year
      Subregion Rate Count Region
      Eastern Africa 21.9 69,344 Africa
      Middle Africa 20.8 25,330 Africa
      Northern Africa 5.9 12,276 Africa
      Southern Africa 30.5 17,484 Africa
      Western Africa 15.4 44,671 Africa
      Caribbean 16.9 7,001 Americas
      Central America 28.5 44,997 Americas
      Northern America 3.9 13,558 Americas
      South America 20.0 79,039 Americas
      Central Asia 6.1 3,667 Asia
      Eastern Asia 1.3 19,828 Asia
      South-Eastern Asia 6.0 34,787 Asia
      Southern Asia 3.8 63,102 Asia
      Western Asia 2.6 5,736 Asia
      Eastern Europe 6.1 18,497 Europe
      Northern Europe 1.5 1,432 Europe
      Southern Europe 1.4 1,669 Europe
      Western Europe 1.0 1,852 Europe
      Australasia 1.0 268 Oceania
      Melanesia 11.1 898 Oceania
      Micronesia 2.5 10 Oceania
      Polynesia 0.1 3 Oceania

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      • I absolutely agree that America is more lethal than some of the OECD countries. Now the question becomes why, doesn’t it?

        Given that 285,000.000 firearms in the hands of approximately 115,000,000 people or more; we only have 18K suicides and 12K homicides each year, right? So is the average gun owner out there just waiting for an chance to gun someone down?
        According to the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment report, gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions, and up to 90 percent in others.
        According to the F.B.I. no.

        Let’s look at some facts — Victims and Offenders
        Males represented 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rate for males (11.6 per 100,000) was 3 times higher than the rate for females (3.4 per 100,000).
        The offending rate for males (15.1 per 100,000) was almost 9 times higher than the rate for females (1.7 per 100,000).
        So nearly 90% of the murderers are male and we combine that with
        The sex distribution of homicide victims and offenders differed by type of homicide
        From 1980 to 2008, among all homicide victims—
         Females were more likely than males to be the victim of intimate killings (63.7%) and sex-related homicides (81.7%) (table 5).
        Males were more likely to be involved in drug- (90.5%) and gang-related homicides (94.6%).

        http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

        Homicide is generally relegated to a very small segment of the population. I’m all for ideas on how to address reducing violent crime; I just insist that it impacts those doing the crime more then it impacts the average person.

        Bob

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